No desktop allowed in Linux

zhuanyi

To be honest I am a little speechless over this one...what's next? No VPN? No MySQL? No JAVA?

Dear Users,

I want to start this off with thanking everyone for there business. It has come to our attention that with a lot of people running a desktop on there VPS that are system is under heavy loads. From this point on we are going to disallow the use of desktops on our VPS servers. This is also going to be posted on our acceptable usage policy. If you are already running desktops, you will have till October 10, 2012 to backup and migrate your files. On October 11, anyone, who is running desktop on our VPS platform, will have their vps terminated without any backup. If you have any inquiry, please open a support ticket and we will be more than happy to help you .

======

Best Regards,

NinjaHawk Team

Patrick

I doubt it's heavy usage of CPU but more of the desktop actually consuming the RAM your meant to be guaranteed especially if it's on a OpenVZ node.

winston

wat

David_P

But if your renting the so called "dedicated" resources, why would it matter if you ran a desktop gui?

Then again, I could see Ninjahawk doing this.. hahahaaa

Infinity

Desktop environments don't really put as heavier load as some other things that people run on their VPS's...

/me is confused.

Taz

Average linux desktop on a ovz node is a disk killer. It is not actual CPU but the i/o. Had couple of users running desktop firefox and torrents and almost crapping the node.

Infinity

Well then ban torrents then, not the whole GUI.

Maybe I'm missing something, fill me in.

Patrick

@Taz_NinjaHawk You should then investigate and if they're running illegal torrents and punish those who are abusing it and not all clients who may use the gui for genuine browsing etc. which shouldn't consume too much :/

jarland

@Taz_NinjaHawk said: Average linux desktop on a ovz node is a disk killer. It is not actual CPU but the i/o. Had couple of users running desktop firefox and torrents and almost crapping the node.

Not really. Limit firefox, kill torrents, suggest alternatives to clients. Torrents will happen with or without desktop. Firefox is just because they don't know any better.

zhuanyi

@Infinity said: Well then ban torrents then, not the whole GUI.

Agreed and I am sure some torrent packages could run on command lines as well...

Taz

@jarland said: Not really. Limit firefox, kill torrents, suggest alternatives to clients. Torrents will happen with or without desktop. Firefox is just because they don't know any better

Killing firefox = killing desktop for most of the users.

To clients, Open a support ticket and we will try to work things out.

jhadley

I think this is the wrong approach as well :/

Taz

@Taz_NinjaHawk said: To clients, Open a support ticket and we will try to work things out.

jhadley

@Taz_NinjaHawk said: To clients, Open a support ticket and we will try to work things out.

We posted at the same time :P

nunim

I wouldn't want to host with someone who is trying to disallow GUI's, it makes no sense, needlessly restricts my freedoms and makes me think your nodes are overloaded. Torrents are disk killers, but anyone seriously torrent isn't running it in desktop GUI, and this won't stop them.

If you're providing dedicated resources I should be allowed to use them as I please as long as I'm not doing something illegal.

nabo

@nunim said: If you're providing dedicated resources I should be allowed to use them as I please.

Especially since he's advertising the VPS as follows: "All VPS's come with complete root access for you to manage your server how you want. Be your own master."

Taz

@Taz_NinjaHawk said: To clients, Open a support ticket and we will try to work things out.

I do not like to repeat my self over and over again.

pcan

I once ran a remote desktop environement (Windows) on a 512Mb VPS, and of course there was some swap. The provider simply suggested a (discounted) upgrade to the 1Gb plan; I agreed and everyone was happy. The provider sold a upgrade and I had a faster VPS.

zhuanyi

@pcan said: I once ran a remote desktop environement (Windows) on a 512Mb VPS, and of course there was some swap. The provider simply suggested a (discounted) upgrade to the 1Gb plan; I agreed and everyone was happy. The provider sold a upgrade and I had a faster VPS.

I think Taz has mentioned the issue is with disk I/O, they are worried that the I/O might be trashed because of torrent users...

jarland

Don't kill Firefox, limit it. I've got people running processes that go overboard when presented with a few CPU cores. They can run on less, but they take what's there. I limit the processes and notify the clients. Easy, no intrusion on their goals, smooth system for everyone else.

24khost

Plus I mentioned to check his ionice setup and such, it might help by prioritizing the streams

Taz

To our users,

If you are using GUI for your regular purpose, you are more than welcome to continue. Our TOS has clause for seeding and torrent but we were not applying any hard limit with that, which is bound to change by this week.

Maounique

I am not sure you are doing it right. If that was allowed, it should still be allowed, if you can no longer provide it on current nodes, create others, put them on SSD, whatever. Changing the rules midgame is not good IMO. I know for sure Uncle has tons of problems with ppl running desktop+firefox+flash+torrents in 128 RAM, he complained a lot about it and how this is part of the joys of being present on LEB/LET. M

Taz

@Maounique said: If that was allowed, it should still be allowed, if you can no longer provide it on current nodes, create others, put them on SSD, whatever. Changing the rules midgame is not good IMO. I know for sure Uncle has tons of problems with ppl running desktop+firefox+flash+torrents in 128 RAM, he complained a lot about it and how this is part of the joys of being present on LEB/LET. M

Our TOS, never allowed any torrent nor high resource usage.

Kairus

@Maounique said: I know for sure Uncle

Why do you call him Uncle?

jarland

@Maounique said: firefox 128

I didn't even know you could say "firefox" on 128mb of ram...

zhuanyi

@Kairus said: Why do you call him Uncle?

Uncle Sal. @prometeus

ErawanArifNugroho

@Kairus said: Why do you call him Uncle?

Mr. Salvatore is older than M and me :)

Infinity

@ErawanArifNugroho said: Mr. Salvatore is older than M and me :)

Means I should call pretty much everyone here uncle too..

Alex_LiquidHost

I doubt the node is loaded because of the desktop GUI. There must be something else wrong, Taz.

ErawanArifNugroho

@Infinity said: Means I should call pretty much everyone here uncle too..

:O How old are you?