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@joepie91 as i keep saying the ioncube is not there to stop the scum, it is there to keep the honest people honest.
How exactly does Ioncube "keep honest people honest"?
cause honest people slip, they run into money problems. They start looking for ways to cut costs. One of peoples biggest costs is licensing. People are honest in general until problems hit, then they look for ways to get around those problems.
And Ioncube solves that problem how?
50% would be great, but I really wish you would lose encoding and the developer license. The encoding is the other thing that's holding me back!
It keeps them from going in themselves and ripping out the licensing code.
And you think nulled versions won't surface when you use Ioncube?
Ok I've raised the EAD to 50% but those licence options are staying, for now at least
@joepie91 yes, but like i said it is not to protect against scum it is to keep the honest man honest.
IMO encoding to keep the honest man honest is not worth doing (and doesn't really work).
Uhm. I ask you for elaboration about "keeping honest people honest", you say you mean people that can't pay for a license anymore and would otherwise null the software (remove the license checker). I tell you that that will happen anyway, even if it's Ioncubed, and you come back with the same argument about "keeping honest people honest" that I disproved 2 posts ago. Are you just not understanding what I mean, or is something else going on?
too expensive
and I wanted the ful source code to implement internet invoice system
If you make the invoicing templates transalteable (to be able to get translated to other languages) I will buy for sure.
@netomx it comes withan Internet invoice system
@Alex_Liquidhost Ill get on that, thanks
This sounds great. As the whole thing is too long to read, are tehre any setup monthly / yearly / owned prices? And do you have an ETA on finishing it up
www.openbill.co.uk has the details
The initial release should be on 01/10 when a 50% discount will be available. The next release should be on 01/11 when the discount will stop.
@jhadley: if you plan on listening to potential customers, I think this would be pretty good place to start.
@joepie91 I guess I can't explain it very well. It is just the way I look at it.
The source code is available at £100 with the discount, which is what I was planning to release the source code for, even when I was considering just an open-source version. I've just added more options for people who want something cheaper.
That's the way I look at it anyway.
I still don't get what you're selling or trying to sell.
Nothing yet - this is just gathering feedback. Once it's available I'll be selling licenses for OpenBill, a piece of software to enable freelancers to track time and invoice clients, and for their clients to pay online.
@jhadley So... you're just talking?
I fail to see how it makes sense to make the encrypted version cheaper than the source-readable version.
EDIT: I am assuming the prices on your site are still current.
At the moment, yes. I'll probably open another thread when it's done for anyone who wants to actually buy a copy.
You're right in a way that those with an 'owned' licence probably ought to have the source, but then £59 for the full source seems very cheap...
Honestly I think the current structure is fine. I think I'll try it and see how things go - changes can be made later if necessary. I'm more concerned with the product itself than the pricing at the moment anyway.
I don't see what's the big deal here, if you want invoicing system, grab one open-source shopping cart, modify a bit to your own invoicing stuff, unlimited plan, all kinds of payment gateway, flexible invoice template of your own...even copy WHMCS a bit, make it look-legit, of course no API to solus or to provisioning vps, etc.
Also, you can even translate it into about 30 languages by putting their flags on it.
I'm not sure what readable source has to do with price, or how it can seem 'very cheap for full source'. If your license only allows modifications for personal use and such, and does not allow redistribution of forked versions, where is the problem? How does ability to modify the source for personal use in any way warrant a higher cost?
By billing people for the ability to read and modify the source, you are billing them twice as much or so, for something that did not cost you any extra effort to start with. You are essentially intentionally crippling the cheaper version. I don't consider that fair by any standards.
It seems your potential customers disagree.
In that case, I'd advise forgetting about the pricing structure entirely for now, and only start considering it when you are about to release the first version.
Really, really like this and will give a heads up to a few clients that are on the hunt for a simple invoice system.
Couldn't tell from the webcast if it was implemented but the option of adding different invoice 'types' would be handy. Similarly the ability of attaching costing to an invoice 'type' would again be useful ie - Select 'design' and it'll automatically add the unit price.
Not essential but a link against each client on the client page to create an invoice would save peeing around with the 'Invoice For' box (looked like a nasty bug with Bootstrap).
Again, not essential but the ability to select a number of clients and then generate the same invoice for each would be extremely useful.
Also will there be a module payment integration?
Keep it up though, certainly looks impressive.
Thanks @Dom!
Types already exist, though there is no default pricing. I'll look at adding this to the next release subject to demand.
Good ideas about adding (multiple) invoices from the client page. Ill add it initially then add the functionality to do it for several clients at once in the next release.
PayPal will definitely and 2CO will hopefully feature as of the initial release.
Another quick thought - ability to search for clients on the client page and list client(s) that match accordingly. Would save some arse-ache to those that have large client lists.
And similarly with invoices, would be useful to search for a particular invoice based on ID, client name/email address etc etc.
On another note, i think the checkbox and 'actions' drop-down on the invoice page should be on the same side as it would save the user having to scroll around.
Also, will there be the option of scheduling payment reminders? I know this could end up being a bit 'spammy' for the client but it'd save having to do it manually.
And once invoices are paid, are they permanently 'locked' prevent further modifications?
And will there be user accounts for the admin side of things? Or is it just once account?