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Experiences with DDOS-protected VPSes?

Experiences with DDOS-protected VPSes?

DamianDamian Member
edited September 2012 in General

I'm looking for actual experiences with companies offering DDOS-protected VPSes.

My scope is for game servers, and my own experience with selling VPSes tells me that skiddies enjoy DDOSing game servers. Obviously these VPSes are going to have a price premium attached to them.

Any input?

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  • BuyVM!

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  • Personal experience - none.

    However I'd suggest you check: 1. BuyVM 2. Staminus 3. Gigenet

  • JackJack Member
    edited September 2012

    @Alex_LiquidHost said: Staminus

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU SEEN THE $/packet per second!!!!!?

    Fran tanked a 600k p/s SYN for $3/mo

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  • JackJack Member
    edited September 2012

    Blacklotus who his currently using @AsadHaider Don't detect all Flood types however they have a nice Control panel to see the attacks. image

  • @AsadHaider They don't own there own network they use Blacklotus :)

  • Lol, blacklotus are industry leaders. I in NO WAY belive that they do not detect all floods. Just no way.

  • @Alex_LiquidHost said: I in NO WAY belive that they do not detect all floods.

    So 500mbit of UDP didn't get through when I was using them a few months ago?

  • @AsadHaider Doesn't he want game servers VM's ? Javapipe is a reverse proxy service?

  • @Jack said: So 500mbit of UDP didn't get through when I was using them a few months ago?

    So you claim they couldnt tank 500mbps of UDP? LOL I probably can't get your point, however UDP is the easiest attack to detect. BL even has it's own patented methods of detecting and mitigating.

  • @Jack It says they can protect game servers.

    @joodle How did your CoD server thing go?

  • JackJack Member
    edited September 2012

    @Alex_LiquidHost said: So you claim they couldnt tank 500mbps of UDP? LOL I probably can't get your point, however UDP is the easiest attack to detect. BL even has it's own patented methods of detecting and mitigating.

    It took them 37 minutes to see that 500mbit of UDP was getting past the ACL...

    They have tanked bigger UDP floods since though.

  • Regardless of this, Since it's just a proxy it should work fine, You would have to contact them about this though.

    @Jack said: Javapipe is a reverse proxy service?

  • @Alex_LiquidHost said: However I'd suggest you check: 1. BuyVM 2. Staminus 3. Gigenet

    Thanks. Staminus wanted bosozoku amounts of $$$ for DDOS mitigation, and Gigenet wouldn't give prices but offered that a "DDOS Specialist" would contact me immediately. BuyVM is looking most cost-effective at them moment; only issue with them is they don't have open availability.

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  • @Jacob said: Regardless of this, Since it's just a proxy it should work fine, You would have to contact them about this though.

    Just seen:

    DDoS mitigation setup for silk based gaming servers $40 setup. DDoS mitigation setup for Minecrafts servers is FREE.

  • @Damian said: Thanks. Staminus wanted bosozoku amounts of $$$ for DDOS mitigation, and Gigenet wouldn't give prices but offered that a "DDOS Specialist" would contact me immediately. BuyVM is looking most cost-effective at them moment; only issue with them is they don't have open availability.

    Poke Fran , I'm sure he'll be able to get you a box :)

  • @Jack said: Just seen:

    DDoS mitigation setup for silk based gaming servers $40 setup. DDoS mitigation setup for Minecrafts servers is FREE.

    I think that's just setup. Actual transfer on that page is $100/month on the cheapest tier.

    I am no longer affiliated with IPXcore.
  • @Damian said: I think that's just setup. Actual transfer on that page is $100/month on the cheapest tier.

    I think Jacob got a discount , I think he said $69 on IRC? @Jacob what did you pay.

  • Speak with Robert, They have a active 30% Promotion, Bandwidth is also calculated In/Out, So 200GB BW, 100GB in reality since data comes in one end and back out the other. :-)

    @Damian said: Actual transfer on that page is $100/month on the cheapest tier.

  • buyvm isn't the best out there, but it's definitely the best what you can get as low as $3/m

    Highly recommended!

  • Might want to have a look at Dragonara or any of the companies with servers there. They can handle pretty big attacks afaik for a reasonable price, but I recall an issue with Dragonara refusing to upgrade the DDoS mitigation because they disagreed with the content that was the target of said DDoS. I was not personally involved in that situation, so you may want to verify that independently instead of assuming that story is true :)

    @Alex_LiquidHost said: BL even has it's own patented methods of detecting and mitigating.

    That really means nothing at all. Something being patented does not in any way indicate the quality of the patented method. For all you know, they may be stubborn and tried to develop their own failing detection mechanisms instead of using widely available more effective methods. Who knows.

    @Damian said: Gigenet wouldn't give prices but offered that a "DDOS Specialist" would contact me immediately.

    From what I know of Gigenet, if you push a little, you can get a pretty good price out of them for decent DDoS mitigation.

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  • @William said: If you have at least a bit of cash: Blacklotus

    I don't have that much cash for the project.

    BuyVM it is!

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  • BrandonBrandon Member
    edited September 2012

    Feel free to PM me and I can offer you something. We've recently been working with Peer1 to DDoS proof our entire Toronto network. Yes we host Minecraft which is why this was also necessary.

  • JTRJTR Member
    edited September 2012

    Cheap: BuyVM External tunnel: JavaPipe Small attacks/dedi: Limestone Networks Large/fancy attacks and/or large budget: BlackLotus, Staminus

    I have personal experience with LSN from about a year ago, they were pretty good about attacks, but their policy these days is they'll only mitigate up to 500Mbps for long attacks, and up to ~3Gbps for up to an hour.

    I have personal experience with BuyVM, I've used their filtered IP for a while on some sites hosted on my VPS, and recently started using it as a GRE tunnel for my dedi.

    I have heard from multiple people who are satisfied with JavaPipe (the tunnel service), but I was told that they account for bandwidth both ways, so the amount they advertise is actually only 1/2 that in practice. I do not have personal experience with them.

  • I would have to agree LSN's blackhole system is neat .

  • @Randy said: I would have to agree LSN's blackhole system is neat .

    Not as good as BuyVM's... It doesn't email you to say it's been nulled.

    Also It takes an hour for it to detect it.

  • Ahhh. the email alert is a must. and they remove the blackhole for you if you placed a tickets and "forwarding to network engineers seems to be slow as a snail"

  • The website states how they calaculate the bandwidth, so the amount advertised is correct.

    @JTR said: so the amount they advertise is actually only 1/2 that in practice

  • @Jacob said: The website states how they calaculate the bandwidth, so the amount advertised is correct.

    Jacob how are they calculating the bandwidth?

  • I think awknet is pretty decent for DDoS. I'm sure they'll colo if you ask them.

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member
    edited May 2013

    My experience is fairly mixed, ive been with many providers (Awknet, Hostkey, Frantech etc).

    The most important thing is to ask many questions before you get your sevice ensure the following (don't assume). 1. Filtering is automatic (and always on). 2. There are no overage charges 3. What the limits are (if they claim their are none, they are reselling and dont have a clue). 4. If you plan to poxy out to an external location check the TOS/AUP 5. If you are currently under attack check that you have a buffer over the size of your attack and what the provider allows. This allows for the attacker to increase there attack when they realize you are no longer offline as well as ensuring you have enough resources (if your protection is shared in nature).

    In regards to Awknet, their filtering is very hit and miss and while they are willing to accommodate they are pretty unresponsive.

    X4B - EU & US affordable DDoS protection
  • neqsteneqste Member

    90% of BlackLotus cost it's their brand. 10% = their mitigation services. I'm not recommend to use them. Javapipe good low-cost way to mitigate ddos. BuyVM good too, but not against TCP flood.

    Anybody have another lowend DDoS mitigation services in their exprience?

  • mnpeepmnpeep Member

    @neqste said: BuyVM good too, but not against TCP flood.

    What???? BuyVM's TCP protection blows their UDP protection out of the water. They made it from scratch. There hasn't been a flood Fran couldn't have stopped, and hope that there never will.

    http://www.maxshosting.com/
    Unofficial community troll. AMA!

  • @neqste said: BuyVM good too, but not against TCP flood.

    @mnpeep said: What???? BuyVM's TCP protection blows their UDP protection out of the water.

    Yes and no :) TCP wasn't all that great while at awknet. It kept most booters at bay but past 1M pps we were in trouble. With the move to CN they've added some of our TCP ACL's and do their own layer of TCP filtering. There is still some floods that leak though but i'll keep that list to myself.

    With CN we've had a few blips where i'm assuming a router reboots or CN has to push a nullroute on another client but those are very few and far between.

    Francisco

    BuyVM - OpenVZ & KVM Based / TUN, PPTP, FUSE, SIT & GRE Enabled! / Stallion Control Panel
  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited May 2013

    @Jack said: tanked a 600k p/s SYN

    Well, business as usual for a 32 GB ram node: image That is legit traffic :P Well, except the blip towards the end, at times there comes a real DDoS of some mil pps. The e3s are coughing at about 700 k and dual E5s are doing 1.3-1.4 mil. We are a good place to DDoS someone from and after each promo have to kick some 20 of those. Lucky salvatore put up some tools for this so it makes the job much easier and the reaction swifter.

    Voxility put up 120 Gbps filtering platform (so they claim) and 150 mil pps. This is much better than their previous one which was a joke, however, the price is in tens of thousands monthly... 16k to be more exact. 1000x their 15 Eur before...

    I am only representing myself :)

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