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Custom billing/control panel

Custom billing/control panel

dominicldominicl Member
edited August 2012 in General

Hi

If I started up as a hosting company, I wouldn't have the money at first for something like WHMCS or SolusVM. I know I could use hypervm or similar but the custom feel (like 6sync) is better. Are there any good free systems (not boxbilling) that have the custom feel, or how hard is it to build one? Preferably with a VPS control panel integrated.

Thanks!

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  • ZenZen Member

    If you're going to start a 'company' and don't have 10$/month to spare please do not start a 'company'.

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  • LiamLiam Retired Staff

    I thought you scrapped your ideas of starting a host?

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  • I could, but custom is better

  • I agree, with zen. for custom billing at least $1000 use whmcs unbranded with custom template

    slow motion

  • VictorVictor Member
    edited August 2012

    @dominicl said: I could, but custom is better

    wut?

    @dominicl said: I wouldn't have the money at first for something like WHMCS or SolusVM

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  • Do you mean to create it by yourself or what?

  • Inglar, yes I did. I suppose I could use whmcs and hypervm or something

  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    You dont seem to know what you want really, unless you got money to spend on a custom billing software get WHMCS. HyperVM is kinda outdated why would you want to use it?

    if you dont have money how do you expect to pay for a server? start with a reseller and start off from there

  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff

    Please don't take offense to this but seriously, you're asking how to setup Apache vHosts, you can't even look for a simple tutorial or read Apache's documentation, somehow I don't think I'm alone in wondering if you have enough experience to start a host. There's a reason I'm not running a VPS host, I want to gain experience first, because I know I'm not ready, I know I want to hurry myself - but ruining my reputation is easy to do when I hurry, just a thought.

    我是一个巨魔 (;

  • Maybe you should start with web hosting first? Gain some experience then add vps hosting.

  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    Previously, I worked with a provider and assisted people and got familar with Linux, and other distrobutions and think this is a starting point, which I can advance at over time

  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff

    @dominicl said: I've had loads of experience with managing servers with openvz because of where I used to work. Every day I had to manage them! I've installed it countless times before and am experienced with it.

    How about general Linux? I'll assure you, you will have a few problems once in a while.

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  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited August 2012

    @dominicl said: I've had loads of experience with managing servers with openvz because of where I used to work. Every day I had to manage them! I've installed it countless times before and am experienced with it.

    What if the Solus/control panel fails? Are you going to tender the repair work out to the lowest bidder (I would not allow anyone I don't know access to my server)? There's a difference between deploying/managing a vps with solusvm and running a node properly.

    Plus as your not 18, your TOS and any other normally legally binding contracts would not stand.

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  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    Sorry can't quote, on my phone.

    Infinity - I manage servers every day, all Linux based.

    Liam - As said above..in previous post.

  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff
    edited August 2012

    @dominicl said: Infinity - I manage servers every day, all Linux based.

    Then why couldn't you read the very simple and straight forward documentation for httpd? I'm sure most people managing Linux servers have had to read documentation before.

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  • LiamLiam Retired Staff
    edited August 2012

    @dominicl said: Liam - I've experience managing nodes, all linux and I know my way around solusvm and am experienced with that too. Bluevm have hundreds of customers and use hypervm, for example.

    I wonder what @bluevm thinks of that accusation? From what I can see Justin is experienced and skilled with linux at the command line level and does not solely rely on managing the node from hypervm...

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  • @Infinity said: Then why couldn't you read the very simple and straight forward documentation for httpd? I'm sure most people managing Linux servers have had to read documentation before.

    I thought it was harder than it was. After reading the docs, I managed to do it straight away and it works fine.

    @liam said: I wonder what @bluevm thinks of that accusation? From what I can see Justin is experienced and skilled with linux at the command line level and does not solely rely on managing the node from hypervm...

    I wasn't trying to put them down in any way, sorry. I was referring to what @Randy said: "HyperVM is kinda outdated why would you want to use it?". I think HyperVM is good for what it does, although it may not have the nicest design ever.

    There is also Cloudmin, but I've never used that one before.

    Thanks.

  • From the looks of it - you have 100$ or less and are trying to save every buck, just like your other thread for running a vps node with a single HDD. I am not sure that you even have enough to run it for 1 month, not to talk about more than that. I want to asure your that it is not so easy to gain customers, and you would not be getting enough for the first couple of months. SolusVM + WHMCS cost like 25$ together. If you can not afford it, just don't start and don't even think of starting a new venture... Besides, summer is almost over.

  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    Alex, I do have more than $100 to put into this, and I realise that it's not going to be easy to gain customers at the start. It would certainly not be a summer host and it would be a long-term venture, like Liquid-Host ;) I understand that WHMCS and CE cost about $15 per month, and SolusVM about $9 per month (if i choose to use SolusVM).

    Regards, Dominic

  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    hostbill is 100 $

  • @Randy said: Wrong hostbill cost 100+

    Oh yea, they used to have a monthly license but switched to yearly. Forgot about that - you can't buy it monthly anymore.

    Anyway, I think you get the message I'm trying to get out.

  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff
    edited August 2012

    @dominicl said: like Liquid-Host ;)

    Nice strategy.

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  • Stick with the reseller idea. You don't have enough experience yet to run a host. I say this in a friendly manner, but saying you have experience doesn't qualify as experience, I believe it has been stated that you are under 18 you do not have many years experience in Linux. It's not even just about potential customers, it's what you'll do to your own confidence and wallet that are of concern.

    I am sure you have some experience, but the questions you have asked in previous threads are direct indications of gaps in vital knowledge including, but not limited to, an inability to google effectively. Again, I say this not to tear you down, but to warn you as a friend.

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  • ZenZen Member

    Being impulsive is destructive. :)

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  • @jarland - I understand what you're saying, but I have worked at a host (on here) before and was managing Linux, OpenVZ based servers with SolusVM nearly every day and gained a lot of experience from that. I manage Linux servers every day, as I said. I am more experienced with managing Linux-based servers than Windows! Haha.

  • Well regardless, if you end up doing this you have my support as a fellow LET community member and I'm happy to advise where I can. Just like @Randy who we all thought started too early but were willing to assist, because good people don't desire to see well intentioned people fail. Just don't say I didn't warn you.

    Now for my advice. Get SolusVM. Don't think about it, don't entertain other options. If you planned on making $20/m profit on rented hardware (for example), cut your profit in half and do yourself a huge favor. BoxBilling also seems great, any reason not to use it?

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  • @jarland - Thanks for that, and yes I will get SolusVM I guess. It's much easier and probably will be better in the long run. I should be able to get the costs back of at least the billing system and Solus after the 1st/2nd month.

    Thanks.

  • LiamLiam Retired Staff

    I advise you to discuss this with your parents in full.

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  • @dominicl said: costs back of at least the billing system and Solus after the 1st/2nd month.

    Your're not aiming high are you :P

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  • @dominicl Talk to @Randy, he already owns domain, whmcs, solus, you don't need anything else.

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    Yes i agree with @liam here. and please take my advice and resell vps and use a reseller account. consider yourself lucky that your parents is willing to support you with this. . get yourself a job. age dosent matter when it comes to job

    If you wish to get severs and deploy vps

    @jarland i wil be back;-) not as a reseller ofcuz;-)

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    @LAKid ??

  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    Vps reselling can cut cost

  • @Randy said: age dosent matter when it comes to job

    Yes it does....

    @liam - I have done that ;-)

    @Randy - I believe you're 15 or 16 too..and had TheHostingSquad.

    As I said, previously, I worked with a provider and assisted people and got familar with Linux, and other distributions and think this is a starting point, which I can advance at over time. You don't need 100% linux experience and don't need to know every command in the Linux dictionary in order to start. As I said, I do have enough experience to start off, as I have managed my own company in the past, and have been management for a long period of time at another.

  • What's wrong with boxbilling now?

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  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    @Corey said: What's wrong with boxbilling now?

    I haven't said anything against BoxBilling, but it's $5.95 per month, and WHMCS or CE has a lot more features for $9 more. I would prefer WHMCS, and people might think that I'm an awful host if I use a free billing system.

  • @dominicl YDGH has used WHMCS since we started.... we just recently started using boxbilling with something else and it's unanimous that boxbilling is better for us. Personally I've used CE on some other projects as a general billing system... and it was great but it seemed messy.

    What features do you need that boxbilling does not have?

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  • @Corey said: YDGH has used WHMCS since we started.... we just recently started using boxbilling with something else and it's unanimous that boxbilling is better for us. Personally I've used CE on some other projects as a general billing system... and it was great but it seemed messy.

    What features do you need that boxbilling does not have?

    Well, I am not 100% sure as I haven't looked at all the modules that Boxbilling has, but I am not sure if it has a SolusVM module with Auto-set up?

    I suppose i could make Boxbilling integrated and customize it a bit to give it a good look. Got a few bugs, but other than that I suppose it's fine. I am not sure what people think when they see a free billing system though.

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    Thats not the point. even if you are reselling you can still provide support to your clients. its just a advice to cut cost so you can spend the rest on the money on somthing else.

    Most reseller accounts comes with free whmcs so you can use it. just have to pay for the reseller account. remember you can survive much longer when reselling.

    For my case even when i come back to LET i would still get my own servers.

    You can get your own servers if you wanted to . that is up to you.

    This is a friendly advice;-)

  • @Randy said: even if you are reselling

    I would prefer not to resell if I have a node to use ;-) You would get your own servers too - you have more access to them and can do whatever the hell you like (within reason). I don't mind cPanel resellers, but I don't like VPS resellers really.

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    Automated can cut your load too

  • ZenZen Member

    Resell if you're really intent on doing something. Build up a secure client base - after a few months grab backups and throw them on your own node. Tada.

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  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    Ahh. undrrstood. but yeah get a web hosting reseller account;-) and make use of the WHMCS

  • many people claim them self as linux sys admin, in fact, if something going wrong, they start searching via google.

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  • @dominicl said: if it has a SolusVM module with Auto-set up?

    It has a solusvm module with auto setup. Everyone here is ripping on you for not reading the Docs.... this is clearly stated in the docs.

    Boxbilling for startups is free... but if you want to lift your restrictions the $5/mo is very competitive. Personally I don't think anyone will rip on you for using a 'free' billing system as long as it gets the job done.

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  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    @tommy said: many people claim them self as linux sys admin, in fact, if something going wrong, they start searching via google.

    That's pretty standard practice because you should always be learning something new - no one is the god of knowledge and there will always be something new to learn.

    If you run into a problem or something goes wrong, the chances of it being something completely new that you have not dealt with before are higher than the chances of it being something you already know about - because most issues you have are based on misconfiguration of some sort. Its a paradox, bro.

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  • @Zen said: That's pretty standard practice because you should always be learning something new - no one is the god of knowledge and there will always be something new to learn.

    If you run into a problem or something goes wrong, the chances of it being something completely new that you have not dealt with before are higher than the chances of it being something you already know about - because most issues you have are based on misconfiguration of some sor

    I was JUST about to post the exact same thing :)

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  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    Unbranded helps

  • Yeah, I suppose. Thanks for the input. But if I already have a node which I can pay for, personally for the next 10 months, and by then I should be getting $100 or so which will cover nearly all the cost of the node then I don't see point in reselling

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