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How much would you donate to an Open-VZ panel?

How much would you donate to an Open-VZ panel?

subigosubigo Member
edited August 2012 in General

nah... nevermind.

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  • If you keep getting emails and PMs about it, wouldn't that imply that there is demand for it?

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  • @NickM said: If you keep getting emails and PMs about it, wouldn't that imply that there is demand for it?

    Yeah, plenty of people demand it... but putting money towards it is something completely different. Not a single person who has emailed/PM'd me has been willing to put any kind of real money behind it. A control panel is almost a full-time job and people think I'm going to waste my time for a few hundred dollars... not going to happen.

  • As a end user happy with solus nothing :P

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  • Rewritting SolusVM into better code would be great :P

  • @apollo15 said: Rewritting SolusVM into better code would be great :P

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  • Welcome to the real world!
    Ok well based on what you said subigo you are just looking for someone to paid you a full time job. I think you are right 100% you are just wasting your time and our time!

    Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep your foot on first.

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  • subigosubigo Member
    edited August 2012

    @SDH_TREXTOR said: Welcome to the real world! Ok well based on what you said subigo you are just looking for someone to paid you a full time job. I think you are right 100% you are just wasting your time and our time!

    Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep your foot on first.

    Good Luck!

    lol... what?

    You realize I wrote an Open-VZ panel in the past, correct? The ONLY reason I even talk about it, or bring it up, is because I get messages EVERY SINGLE DAY from people on this forum asking me to create another one.

    I'm not looking for a job. I don't need your money. But if people are going to really ask me to undertake something as time consuming as a control panel, they better be ready to back it up.

    There's no way on Earth that I'm going to spend 8+ hours a day working on something for free. There's a reason there are only a handful of panels to choose from... and those that exist, only exist for one of two reasons. Either the creator wanted to charge people monthly and turn it into a business (solusvm) or the creator needed to create it for their own personal reasons (ovz-web-panel).

    Nobody in their right mind is going to start a project like this just because a group of people on LET demand it and might throw a few hundred dollars at it. I don't run a VPS company more, so I have no reason to work on it myself. If people want me to spend my time on it, they better make it worth it. You guys want an PHP based ovz-web-panel alternative? You better have a few thousand dollars to throw at it. You want a SolusVM alternative? Talk to me when you have at least $10k ready to throw at it. Until then, either make it yourself, hire an Indian programmer to do it for $500, or stop sending me non-stop messages about it.

  • Start a Kickstarter. Tell people about it. You'll determine the amount of demand.

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  • $0.00 - $200.00 /mo. depending on how good it is? If its commercial grade and we switch to it I'd probably donate at least $50 a month.

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  • If it gets commercial grade, as mentioned, I am willing to donate atleast 15-20$ per node that uses it. I think it is more than reasonable... However if you start developing it, I will try to throw down something before the release as well.

  • lele0108lele0108 Member
    edited August 2012

    @subigo said: hire an Indian programmer to do it for $500

    I Lol'd. But still, damn that's is that even possible?

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  • I wouldn't mind donate some

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  • I think this is good idea:

    @Soylent said: Start a Kickstarter. Tell people about it. You'll determine the amount of demand.

    And people will know how much you need, mate.

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  • JarJar Member
    edited August 2012

    Agree with kick starter just because if it doesn't raise the money, it doesn't raise the money. If it raises a fair amount but not enough, post it as is on github with an open source license and call it a day. Maybe add a feature. Right now, technically, BoxCtrl is not available. It's been uploaded a couple places, but it has no public presence. Giving it that is still doing something.

  • telephonetelephone Member
    edited August 2012

    @subigo

    To be honest I doubt you're going to receive enough upfront. You'll probably receive $500 or so in donations. But there are a lot of hosts that would be willing to pay monthly after the finished product is available. In my opinion, most hosts here would feel more comfortable paying monthly, as that way they'll know you'll continue to be around (to provide support and update bug fixes). Where as if it's a once off project, you could abandon it at any time... I know that's not what you're after but this is the way I see it happening.

    @subigo said: I don't run a VPS company more, so I have no reason to work on it myself. If people want me to spend my time on it, they better make it worth it.

    I know the predicament you're in, but you're showing a lot of interest in this project. If you didn't want to create a panel then you would simply ignore the emails and PM's like most others do :p

  • Fine. I created a Kickstarter project. It takes up to a week to be reviewed and posted. If they allow it, I'll post back here. If they don't, consider it dead for good.

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  • @subigo said: Fine. I created a Kickstarter project. It takes up to a week to be reviewed and posted. If they allow it, I'll post back here. If they don't, consider it dead for good.

    Just post a Paypal donation link if it's not approved, I am sure people will be more than happy to contribute. :)

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  • Would depend on the code quality.

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  • ZenZen Member

    I think you need to stop wasting time worrying about it and just do it, take the risk. You do realize that if you make an alternative to SolusVM you can practically steal their customer base?

    But, threads like this and other posts would actually put me off purchasing your panel or backing it. I like things to pop out of nowhere with a price tag on them, knowing that you already doubt a project before it has even begun would just make me run for the hills - SolusVM has many problems but at least they are a business and they will be around for a long time to come because no competition exists and because no matter how flawed they are they make up for it with modesty and a working platform (for the most part).

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  • @Zen said: You do realize that if you make an alternative to SolusVM you can practically steal their customer base?

    You do realize that I'm not doing this to steal a client base or start a business, right? I'm doing it because everyone keeps asking, everyone keeps saying it needs to be done, but nobody gets off of their ass to do it. Well, pay me and I'll go do it for you. Don't pay me and I'll continue to not give a fuck either way.

    Seriously. I do not care if it happens or not. If I get paid, I'll do it just like I would do any other job. Otherwise, long live SolusVM or whatever panel you use.

  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    Then don't do it, you're complaining about people asking to do it but not backing it, implying some sort of financial need - if there isn't any then just don't do it and stop being a drama queen.

    I would care more about who is developing a product than the product itself in all honesty, you sound like the typical asshole developer and I would rather go with someone a little more professional even if the end product has flaws.

    But these are just opinions, I could be very wrong.

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  • @Zen said: Then don't do it, you're complaining about people asking to do it but not backing it, implying some sort of financial need - if there isn't any then just don't do it and stop being a drama queen.

    Yeah, Heaven forbid I get paid to put my life on hold to do 300+ hours of work (just for starters). Financial need? Shit yeah there's a financial need. I'm not running a charity and I'm not going to make a control panel out of the kindness of my heart.

    Every month a new "solusvm alternative" thread pops up and it goes in the same circles over and over again. Nobody does anything because it's time consuming and a lot of work. Well, I'll put in the time and work, but I'm not going to do it for free. In the end, it's just another case of LET wanting everything for nothing. The hosts around here might be willing to lose money by offering retarded prices in exchange for clients, but I sure as hell am not.

    You know what? Screw it. This thread just makes me realize how happy I am to actually be out of this ridiculous industry. I don't know what I was thinking by offering to do it in the first place.

    Enjoy SolusVM, $0.50/month VPS containers, living off ramen noodles, and the next "solusvm alternative" thread that is sure to pop up. This industry has been beaten to death. I'm out.

  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    Heh.

    I think what most people have tried to tell you is that you can make a business out of it and have long term profit, but not as many people will be willing to fund it while it is being made. If you want finance then put the effort in and sell it on as a product - you don't appear to be wanting/willing to do that so that's that, end of.

    The other option is opening up something like Kickstarter which you've done - but once again I doubt the amount of people willing to back it before it is complete is the same as the amount of people who will pay you 10$+/node/month when the product is ready.

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  • @subigo said: You know what? Screw it. This thread just makes me realize how happy I am to actually be out of this ridiculous industry. I don't know what I was thinking by offering to do it in the first place.

    You need to hop on a jet plane and go somewhere and relax. There is nothing wrong with having a financial requirement to motivate you, the public display of it makes you look petty though, and I've always viewed you with a bit more composure.

    Enjoy SolusVM, $0.50/month VPS containers, living off ramen noodles, and the next "solusvm alternative" thread that is sure to pop up. This industry has been beaten to death. I'm out.

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  • @subigo said: Yeah, Heaven forbid I get paid to put my life on hold to do 300+ hours of work (just for starters). Financial need? Shit yeah there's a financial need. I'm not running a charity and I'm not going to make a control panel out of the kindness of my heart.

    We're ok with that. I think the problem is no one is ready to fund you whilst you develop it that's all. Once it's done they'll be ready to purchase it. We all want an alternative, but it has to be ready. Not that I have doubts in you, but how can we know that this won't fail and it will be better than SolusVM? I doubt any business would take such risks.

    I see most startups and those doing things for profit will have to fork out their own time to get it done and as others have said to take this risk. If you're whole-heartedly into it then please do so.

    Lots of people scream that they want alternatives. Try search for things like "Apple sucks", "Android alternative", etc... they are everywhere. However, the % of people willing to fund someone or a team to do it without even a proposal of what it is minus it's a panel would be impossible.

    Good luck!

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  • JarJar Member
    edited August 2012

    Honesty if we were in a position to do so, I'd approach a few other hosts and try to gather some real funding for development, because like you said, plenty of us want a solution that doesn't exist and we know you're capable and willing with the right (and appropriate) incentive. The savings for a host of decent size could be huge.

    Maybe that's an idea for large hosts that are interested, or maybe that's me saying I'll gladly approach you at a later date when I've more to offer. Either way I appreciate you exploring the possibility of continued development.

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  • RandyRandy Disabled

    where is your kick starter ?

    i have seen your panel, its neat and clean

  • I think there are a few motivation which drive the continue research for a solusvm replacement 1) lack of features / bugs 2) price model. $10 are easy to start with, but hundreds/thousands make you consider alternatives :) 3) closed source code

    If you are serious about this then prepare a features plan, some mockups, time and costs estimate, etc. then go out raising funds (better out of the hosting world) ;)

    Asking for casual contributions can be useful only if you are willing to develop the code in any case for your own satisfaction or needs ;)

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  • @subigo said: You know what? Screw it. This thread just makes me realize how happy I am to actually be out of this ridiculous industry. I don't know what I was thinking by offering to do it in the first place.

    Let's put it this way, how about I start a VPS company, use your panel, and you pay me 100 hours' worth of effort for setting up the machine and starting the business and then you get half of the profit? Will you do that?

    I do not think there is anyone who doubt you will be able to code up a Solus alternative, but honestly, will it be perfect? Will it be so great that even if Solus charges 10 bucks per license and you charge 200 upfront people will still use yours? I do not know. Heck, we don't even pay the big boys like Microsoft and Oracle for development until they come up with a product, why should we pay you that much?

    Not trying to be an ass but @subigo, while you may be smart and talented, it is your time to learn not to be arrogant.

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  • @subigo said: Yeah, Heaven forbid I get paid to put my life on hold to do 300+ hours of work (just for starters). Financial need? Shit yeah there's a financial need. I'm not running a charity and I'm not going to make a control panel out of the kindness of my heart. [more whining snipped]

    Then don't do it. What the fuck did you even start a thread for? A lot of us code because we like to code. 99% of my projects I work on because I enjoy it. It's a hobby. I know the majority of them will never even go live, but on everything I do I learn at least one crucial thing that'll help me on one of the projects that does.

    If you have the time and skill and inclination to write a control panel, then do it. You don't need validation. If you'd come here and said, "I really want to work on this as my next project, but I can't afford right now to take that much time away from paying clients to work on it. Are there people who'd be willing to donate to it?" I'm sure you'd have gotten some bites.

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  • ZenZen Member

    @Soylent

    Pretty much summed up what I was getting at.

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  • CoreyCorey Member
    edited August 2012

    YDGH has offered $50/mo in donations and a free dedi for this project. I've seen other people also offer $50/mo in donations at least..... (When @subigo was offering server management for $50/mo ). The way this is going now makes me sad.... he's trying to make a job out of it when he said in the first place he WASN'T going to make a job out of it and just wanted a little compensation for spending some time on this and a little less on what he's already doing. He said SCREW IT in the first place because noone wanted to buy his Server Management packages to fund this but then people said they would rather donate..... and now he wants even MORE money? It's pretty simple to LIMIT yourself on the time you spend on this project every month so talking about 8 hours a day blah blah blah is pretty moot.

    @subigo said: You do realize that I'm not doing this to steal a client base or start a business, right? I'm doing it because everyone keeps asking, everyone keeps saying it needs to be done, but nobody gets off of their ass to do it. Well, pay me and I'll go do it for you. Don't pay me and I'll continue to not give a fuck either way.

    Seriously. I do not care if it happens or not. If I get paid, I'll do it just like I would do any other job. Otherwise, long live SolusVM or whatever panel you use.

    I'm pretty sure people are asking you because of the first thread you started when you said you were going to offer server management packages to fund this.

    Besides that this guy already has an openvz panel right? Wouldn't he just be cleaning up the code and adding features to the panel that already exists?

    Much like everyone else said..... why not take a risk and develop this and make money from it? You seem to require that you get paid more than what it's worth anyway.... so what's the big deal about making it a business?

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  • ZenZen Member

    @Corey said: so what's the big deal about making it a business?

    I think this is a classical case of typical coder mentality... I've ran into it so many times in the past 3 years I think it has self-validated itself as a stereotype.

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  • @Zen said: I think this is a classical case of typical coder mentality... I've ran into it so many times in the past 3 years I think it has self-validated itself as a stereotype.

    Not sure what you mean, because I've been paid over $20/hr+ at previous jobs doing PHP and I'm still doing YDGH as well (which is a risk).

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  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    @Corey

    From my experience there are great coders, and then there are even greater coders with this very arrogant attitude (from my experience with..coders.. and even I am a coder myself but only for fun/hobby for the most part). Maybe I'm just unlucky.

    There just seems to be a fine line between coding being a passion and this self obsessed "I'm better than you" "Horrible code dude" attitude.

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  • CoreyCorey Member
    edited August 2012

    @Zen said: From my experience there are great coders, and then there are even greater coders with this very arrogant attitude (from my experience with..coders.. and even I am a coder myself but only for fun/hobby for the most part). Maybe I'm just unlucky.

    When I go to a job interview I try to NOT sound arrogant but it's hard not to when they are 'questioning' your abilities when you arrive for the interview after they have read your resume. I've never personally hired a coder to do anything so I'm not sure about the general stereotypes :)

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  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    @Corey said: When I go to a job interview I try to NOT sound arrogant but it's hard not to when they are 'questioning' your abilities when you arrive for the interview after reading your resume. I've never personally hired a coder to do anything so I'm not sure about the general stereotypes :)

    Well that would make the difference to me (doing it accidentally or doing it because you honestly believe you are the best), someone taking personal pride in crapping on someone else's work, or acting as if his word is the be-all-end-all of opinions. Its almost as though half the coders I have ever worked with just don't have respect for each other and are constantly tagging on each other.

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  • @Zen said: Well that would make the difference to me (doing it accidentally or doing it because you honestly believe you are the best), someone taking personal pride in crapping on someone else's work, or acting as if his word is the be-all-end-all of opinions. Its almost as though half the coders I have ever worked with just don't have respect for each other and are constantly tagging on each other.

    I have experienced coders tagging on each other in the workplace. One coder won't have as much experience as the other and think that you need to do it a certain way... and the other will think you need to do it the better way. From my experience even after explaining to another fellow coder how one way is better... they will prefer to do it the same way they always have and making coding a nightmare for the other coder.

    This ends up being a competition of who can kiss the boss man's ass better so that the boss man that knows nothing about coding will side with one coder and make that a standard for the workplace.

    Every job I've had none of the coders work 'together' they work AGAINST each other and separately.

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  • ZenZen Member

    @Corey said: Every job I've had none of the coders work 'together' they work AGAINST each other and separately.

    Pretty much what I was aiming for. Nice to know I'm not alone O_O

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  • @Zen said: Pretty much what I was aiming for. Nice to know I'm not alone O_O

    If I ever work as a coder again I'm going to make this clear to the boss man even the part about the 'kiss ass' that some people will do in the work place to get their way.

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  • JarJar Member
    edited August 2012

    I think most of you missed @subigo's real motivation. I didn't get the impression that he wanted to work on this (at the point of this thread), I got the impression that he's decided to answer the constant requests that he continue working on this with a public statement of "Make this worth my while and I will." Fair enough, in my opinion. Although he originally stated he wanted to work on it, that desire seems to have passed before the creation of this thread. All good.

  • From How much would you donate to an Open-VZ panel?
    to Talk to me when you have at least $10k ready to throw at it! > I was right you are looking for mulah! Anyone gets motivated with 10K

    Is your choice bud

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    Just do it ! or Dont do it !

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  • how much you need?

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  • TaylorTaylor Member
    edited August 2012

    @tommy

    @subigo said: You guys want an PHP based ovz-web-panel alternative? You better have a few thousand dollars to throw at it. You want a SolusVM alternative? Talk to me when you have at least $10k ready to throw at it.

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  • How are some of you not understanding this?

    I do not now, nor have I ever, wanted to make a control panel a job. I do not want to make it a business. I do not care if a panel gets made.

    I already do server management (for a LOT more than $50/month), so I figured I would use that as a way to fund development of a panel. Ten hosts all paying $50/month for some extra server admin help and in my free time I create a panel for them and support that panel... pretty good deal if you ask me. This way I am in no way making the panel my job, yet it gets made eventually. Everyone wins.

    Instead, for whatever reason, the majority of you think I'm trying to turn a panel into a business. No. The ONLY reason I was even willing to create one, was because I've been asked so many times. At no point did I ever want to make it a job/business/something I am required to do.

    If you guys are waiting around for a new panel to just pop up, it's not going to happen. Nobody is going to put that much time and effort into something like that when SolusVM/ovz-web-panel already does the job. If you people want a new panel, you're going to have to make it yourself or pay someone to do it.

    Anyway, I'm not going to do it now. I'm never going to bring it up again after this post. I will not respond to PMs or emails asking about a panel in the future. Any interest I had in doing it is now dead. You guys are on your own.

  • @subigo You should wait and see how your kick starter goes first (:

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  • ZenZen Member

    @subigo said: dead

    tack

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  • @subigo said: I do not now, nor have I ever, wanted to make a control panel a job. I do not want to make it a business. I do not care if a panel gets made.

    Then don't do it.

    @subigo said: Anyway, I'm not going to do it now. I'm never going to bring it up again after this post. I will not respond to PMs or emails asking about a panel in the future. Any interest I had in doing it is now dead. You guys are on your own.

    We'll somehow manage to go on living.

    You're weirdly aggressive about this whole thing. I must have missed the thread where someone put a gun to your head and told you to code a panel you didn't want to code for no compensation.

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