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dominicl

Hi

I'm thinking of running a deal for KVM/Xen VPS's. The pricing would be as following: 512MB RAM, 20GB Disk, 500GB Bandwidth - $5 per month 1GB RAM, 30GB Disk, 750GB Bandwidth - $7.50 per month

Node Specs would be: Dual L5420 with 16GB RAM

Would you buy, and what virtualization would you pick (KVM or Xen)?

Thanks

Zen

Can someone please inform me of the provider this guy does/has run/ran?

dominicl

@Zen said: Can someone please inform me of the provider this guy does/has run/ran?

I ran Guernsey Hosting ages and ages ago and merged with another company. That is it.

Zen

And now?

dominicl

@Zen said: And now?

I don't run any myself now. I help out with tickets for a few but that's it.

necs

What are the node specs, that helps decide what its worth.

Zen

So what does this deal pertain to? I'm all /confuseface.

fly

xen is definitely harder to do, but it can be better than kvm. if you want to get started quickly and are mainly targeted at let users, go kvm.

dominicl

@necs said: What are the node specs, that helps decide what its worth.

Sorry, was going to include that, updated OP

@Zen said: So what does this deal pertain to? I'm all /confuseface.

I'm asking if you, as buyers, would purchase that deal if I introduced it and what virtualization you would prefer. I don't run a company at the moment, but am considering starting again, depending on the outcome of this.

@fly said: xen is definitely harder to do, but it can be better than kvm. if you want to get started quickly and are mainly targeted at let users, go kvm.

Thanks for that :)

necs

What about the rest?

Raid level, SW/HW, port speeds, DC etc.

dominicl

@necs said: Raid level, SW/HW, port speeds, DC etc.

Ah, sorry. To start with I'd just have a singular HDD, if demand is high, then I would add a 2nd HDD in with RAID.

Port Speed: 1Gbit

DC: Dacentec, Lenoir

Zen

Alright, personally I feel KVM would be better and more attractive to users on LET/LEB.

However, specifications of the node are a big part of the decision because that helps me estimate what I'm actually getting and not what I'm told I'm getting.

And, the reason I was confused is because I think that the company you run is also a big deciding factor in whether these plans are attractive - Discussing price/plan power/price ratio is fine but that isn't necessarily what will attract a client.

But my opinion on the price/power ratio is that it is just fine, standard LEB pricing.

@dominicl said: To start with I'd just have a singular HDD, if demand is high, then I would add a 2nd HDD in with RAID.

Bad idea.

4 x in RAID10 minimum is my personal preference for VPS nodes in production.

fly

single hdd lolololol no.

dominicl

@Zen said: Bad idea.

4 x in RAID10 minimum is my personal preference for VPS nodes in production.

Ah okay - I see. I could consider adding that afterwards, but would probably start as I said, with 1. Possibly 2 w/ RAID if I can

@fly said: single hdd lolololol no.

....."Possibly 2 w/ RAID if I can"

necs

Strange mix of hardware but as long as you make people aware they are on a single sata drive from the start then people might buy it... not sure how you would sleep at night but thats a different matter. :)

dominicl

@necs said: Strange mix of hardware but as long as you make people aware they are on a single sata drive from the start then people might buy it... not sure how you would sleep at night but thats a different matter. :)

If I got 2 HDD's w/RAID would that be more appealing? ;)

Zen

2 drives w/RAID would be better but I maintain my stance that it is much more worth it to give people great performance with 4 drives in RAID10 than to give them moderate performance in RAID1/2x and upgrade only weeks later.

dominicl

@Zen said: 2 drives w/RAID would be better but I maintain my stance that it is much more worth it to give people great performance with 4 drives in RAID10 than to give them moderate performance in RAID1/2x and upgrade only weeks later.

Understood, thanks. I'll try, but not sure I can find the right deal to allow me to do so

necs

Not really, 2 SATA's in Soft Raid 1 would be slower than 1 SATA.

15GB would give you about 30 VM's the disk speed would be very poor.

dominicl

@necs said: Not really, 2 SATA's in Soft Raid 1 would be slower than 1 SATA.

15GB would give you about 30 VM's the disk speed would be very poor.

Ah okay - I see.

dominicl

Back to the original question. Would you buy, and with KVM or Xen?

dominicl

Nevermind - please close.

Alex_LiquidHost

Atleast 2 drives in RAID1. I can guarantee that you will have a failed drive and data loss if you go with a single drive.

Damian

RAID10 all the way. Our first VPS server was RAID 5 with 3 drives, and was kinda crappy. After experiencing that, I wouldn't consider single drive or RAID1 for VPS at all.

Jacob

Use RAID 1, 2 Drives, RHEL 6, ext4, 120MB/s sequential I/O win, win? :-)

Alex_LiquidHost

@Jacob what drives do you use?

cosmicgate

If the 512mb package is kvm and comes with 1TB BW you basically get The "shut up and take my money" from me.

Asim

KVM or XEN HVM over anything anyday

Secondly, I prefer hosts that keep their nodes VERY monitored. Even those who claim Raid-10 may not have Raid-10 etc but it all burns down keeping their IO/Network/CPU good. Not that I am going to use 100Mb/sec but having it there gives the clients peace of mind that an abuse by someone else or heavy-usage by neighboring VPS will not effect their VPS in a bad way.

Then there are those that @mitgiB explained in a previous thread that prefer > 200Mb/sec IO and > 10MB/sec network speed to tag the VPS as "stable"

miTgiB

@Asim said: Then there are those that @mitgiB explained in a previous thread that prefer > 200Mb/sec IO and > 10MB/sec network speed to tag the VPS as "stable"

Not really sure what you mean here, but what I meant was I would prefer to sacrifice performance for stability. Some like to fiddle with their nodes so much the stability is cast aside, and many times the performance as well, while I take a more set it and forget it attitude with my nodes, I have a config that works, and works well, the occasional abuser can be dealt with, but I want the stability to be as rock solid as possible.

pcan

I use single drive servers in production, on exceptional circumstances, but the drive is always SSD. A good SSD drive (Intel, Samsung) has about the same reliability of a RAID card, and the IO speed is enough for a couple of VM's. A single mechanical drive on a VPS server is slow and unreliable.

Jacob

@Alex_LiquidHost Mix of 1TB constellation, F3, F3 RAID edition and RE4.