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Question - Minecraft Server

Question - Minecraft Server

dominicldominicl Member
edited August 2012 in General

Hi

I'm running a Minecraft server on a dedi. Should I: Leave it as a dedi and make no changes, or split it up into VPS's?

Thanks

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  • @liam said: How much ram are you using? Cost of the dedicated sever per month?

    It's an E3-1230 w/ 4GB RAM at the moment. It's from LimestoneNetworks. 50% off first month - $105 normally per month. (discounted)

  • Just saying that doesn't help man :P

    • What do you want to do with it? (why?)
    • What are the specs of your dedicated server
    • How much is it
    • Why do you want to split it up to VPSes?
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  • @liam asked :P

    Anyway - it's purpose was for a Minecraft server but was thinking about putting a few sites on there as well Specs are an E3-1230 w/ 4GB RAM, 640GB HDD Price is $105 per month with 50% off first month I've just heard that some people split it up - so I was wondering if that was the best way to go really :P

    Thanks

  • Don't split it up. Don't waste resources unless you have to.

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  • JarJar Member
    edited August 2012

    Split it. You'll get better performance if you let minecraft run with a lower resource allotment from the server.

    I felt like sarcasm today :P

  • Hmm, not sure which way to go :P

  • ZenZen Member

    Hit it.

    I work for Nodisto.

  • @Zen said: Hit it.

    Thanks for your constructive advice :)

  • Personally, I'd say split it up. Easier to manage and easier to backup and do whatever with (if you're using any software like proxmox) therefore in the future (in my opinion) provide less of a headache.

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  • JarJar Member

    @Zen Then do you quit it?

  • @HalfEatenPie said: Personally, I'd say split it up. Easier to manage and easier to backup and do whatever with (if you're using any software like proxmox) therefore in the future (in my opinion) provide less of a headache.

    That's what I was thinking. Any other opinions?

  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    Install proxmox 2.1, split the server up with KVM (don't use OpenVZ you would be stupid to think that you would get more minecraft functionality/performance out of using OpenVZ over bare metal) and then optimize the crap out of it. Set up automated backups and cluster that_shiz.

    And then hit it.

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  • @Zen said: And then hit it.

    Ok.

  • ZenZen Member

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  • ZenZen Member

    Stolen.

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  • @Zen said: Install proxmox 2.1, split the server up with KVM (don't use OpenVZ you would be stupid to think that you would get more minecraft functionality/performance out of using OpenVZ over bare metal) and then optimize the crap out of it. Set up automated backups and cluster that_shiz.

    This

    @Zen said: And then hit it.

    Not this

  • Using the Proxmox ISO? Last time I couldn't get it to install via a clean install of Debian, lol.

  • ZenZen Member

    Yes.

    I work for Nodisto.

  • @dominicl said: It's an E3-1230 w/ 4GB RAM at the moment. It's from LimestoneNetworks. 50% off first month - $105 normally per month. (discounted)

    How much discount? Sorry, that's a horrific pricing for a box that would be just used as a game server, I'd say go to https://www.securedservers.com/ and talk to them, all you need for MC is two cores, (it's dual threaded) but quad would be fine, aslong as it was more Umph(Mhz/Ghz) per core than focusing on HT.

    For about $60/month I was able to get a quad core X3440 with 8GB of ram and one hard disk.

    I would reccomend a similar spec, Get a X3440, and a singular SSD. -- Let's face it, you're not going to be hosting loads, it's one SSD that will be uber fast and you don't need multiples, you can just rsync to a backup.

    And pick up 8GB of ram, they'll upgrade ram within 2 hours of requesting it.

  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    Hi,

    @eastonch: Limestone Networks are one of the best DC's, and I have paid for a month now so I'm frankly stuck with it

    EDIT: emailed limestone to see what they can do

  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited August 2012

    I agree with @eastonch. if you need to have webhosting too, just take a 60 $ dedi like that and get a kimsufi for 20 eur to do the hosting. It will be cheaper and no SPOF :) EDIT: If you cant help it, fine :) then I say go Proxmox. M

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  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member without signature

    @dominicl said: @eastonch: Limestone Networks are one of the best DC's, and I have paid for a month now so I'm frankly stuck with it

    stuck with != having to use them for a month. For that money you can easiliy get an Octo-Core and 32GB RAM. You don't need a premium/good datacenter to run a gameserver.

  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    @Maounique said: I agree with @eastonch. if you need to have webhosting too, just take a 60 $ dedi like that and get a kimsufi for 20 eur to do the hosting. It will be cheaper and no SPOF :) EDIT: If you cant help it, fine :) then I say go Proxmox. M

    I can help it by changing provider - but not till next month I guess. I've asked them what they can do. I don't need web hosting as I'm not a provider. For the website, I've just picked up a shared account from a UK provider.

    @gsrdgrdghd said: stuck with != having to use them for a month. For that money you can easiliy get an Octo-Core and 32GB RAM. You don't need a premium/good datacenter to run a gameserver.

    Wow, lol. I couldn't find anything like that. I should have looked at more budget end providers first. However, I can't get anything back from LSN anyway

  • @gsrdgrdghd said: You don't need a premium/good datacenter to run a gameserver.

    That depends. BW quality is sometimes important, especially for wildly international servers. If it is going to be laggy or give inconsistent performance, ppl wont like it. M

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  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member without signature

    Yeah thats true, however Minecraft is more or less network error tolerant and is expected to lag :D

  • dominicldominicl Member
    edited August 2012

    @gsrdgrdghd said: Yeah thats true, however Minecraft is more or less network error tolerant and is expected to lag :D

    Yes, it doesn't need a FANTASTIC datacenter really. I thought that was a reasonable price. Obviously, I'm still with the old times. Not sure what to do now, lol....

  • If you can, cancel and go with a cheaper host :) OVH has good network, for instance. M

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  • @Maounique said: If you can, cancel and go with a cheaper host :)

    If I had the money to loose I would cancel and go somewhere else. Sadly, i'm not made of money.

  • I've emailed LSN to see if they can do anything at all - but i'm not sure really where to go from here.

  • ZenZen Member

    LSN are superb from what I have seen and very good for hosting gameservers..why? DDoS attacks. They take care of them, have an amazing panel, automated system, will not kick you out under almost all circumstances, for gameservers this is important. I've ran 200+ slot servers and via LSN - They're great.

    What's really cool, and I wouldn't normally give out information like this but why not, you could set up OpenVZ/SolusVM/Proxmox and then use OpenVZ - If your VZ IP is attacked you can instantly switch out to another VZ IP (this can easily be automated) DNS records can be updated pretty fast too (1min TTL) and this is + LSN's mitigation is a pretty good combination, then you take note of the fact that the node's main IP being nulled won't cause any problems for the network of any virtual servers running (OpenVZ) and you have an very secure system. It could easily be automated via scripts.

    I would continue paying the premium and stick with them if you plan on having a large server with competition (trust me DDoS is as often as getting spam emails nowadays)

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  • @Zen said: (trust me DDoS is as often as getting spam emails nowadays)

    It depends. If he had the server before and wasnt attacked, it is possible he wont be in the future either. If planning for a new server, however, is a different story. M

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  • Yea, LSN support is certainly quick. I love their panel as well. LSN support have max of 10 minute responses from what i've seen. Generally they've been within the 1-2 minute mark which is fantastic.

    Although I would like to pay cheaper, LSN seem great!

  • JackJack Member
    edited August 2012

    @Zen said: LSN are superb from what I have seen and very good for hosting gameservers..why? DDoS attacks. They take care of them, have an amazing panel, automated system, will not kick you out under almost all circumstances, for gameservers this is important. I've ran 200+ slot servers and via LSN - They're great.

    What's really cool, and I wouldn't normally give out information like this but why not, you could set up OpenVZ/SolusVM/Proxmox and then use OpenVZ - If your VZ IP is attacked you can instantly switch out to another VZ IP (this can easily be automated) DNS records can be updated pretty fast too (1min TTL) and this is + LSN's mitigation is a pretty good combination, then you take note of the fact that the node's main IP being nulled won't cause any problems for the network of any virtual servers running (OpenVZ) and you have an very secure system. It could easily be automated via scripts.

    I would continue paying the premium and stick with them if you plan on having a large server with competition (trust me DDoS is as often as getting spam emails nowadays)

    Limestone don't null IP's I got a 750k p/s SYN flood on an IP with them they added it to a filter that blocks all illegitimate traffic , the user was indeed hosting a MC server and they said there was lag until the automatic filter kicked in.

    They are pretty epic for the price too.

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  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    I might write some bash script to automate the IP updating process, not that you're definitely going to use it or take my advice, but if I have some boredom in the next few days I'll give it a shot :) What do you use for your DNS management? I'm used to writing API for Zerigo but if you use another DNS provider I can see if they have an API too.

    I work for Nodisto.

  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    Yup me and @Jack love them. I've had a server with them before the one I'm currently on with @Jack and they've performed A++ every time.

    I hate accidentally double posting :(

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  • JackJack Member

    @Zen said: I might write some bash script to automate the IP updating process, not that you're definitely going to use it or take my advice, but if I have some boredom in the next few days I'll give it a shot :) What do you use for your DNS provider? I'm used to writing API for Zerigo but if you use another DNS provider I can see if they have an API too.

    I think Cloudflare are currently working on there system with roundrobin to auto kick out the IP that's down too , Last time I spoke to them.

    http://support.cloudflare.com/kb/adding-sites-cloudflare/can-i-use-round-robin-dns-entries

  • Nice, they seem excellent. I've submitted a ticket to sales to see if I can get an SSD instead though as that would be amazing for Minecraft :)

  • JackJack Member
    edited August 2012

    @dominicl said: Yea, LSN support is certainly quick. I love their panel as well. LSN support have max of 10 minute responses from what i've seen. Generally they've been within the 1-2 minute mark which is fantastic.

    Although I would like to pay cheaper, LSN seem great!

    @dominicl did you get a RAID10 Config?

    @dominicl said: Nice, they seem excellent. I've submitted a ticket to sales to see if I can get an SSD instead though as that would be amazing for Minecraft :)

    Most DC's allow you to mail them parts so I guess if you didn't want to pay extra /month you could do that however if it dies you would be stuck.

  • @Jack said: Most DC's allow you to mail them parts so I guess if you didn't want to pay extra /month you could do that however if it dies you would be stuck.

    Yea, and I live in the UK. I'll see what they can do.

  • ZenZen Member
    edited August 2012

    Until then, I could probably make use of the API they provide for automation. I've done DNS automation and external management before and most of these API's are really awesome.

    3.3.8 - "rec_set" -- Create a new DNS record

    https://www.cloudflare.com/docs/client-api.html


    Dominic, you could use Newegg :)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163

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  • JackJack Member
    edited August 2012

    @Zen said: Until then, I could probably make use of the API they provide for automation. I've done DNS automation and external management before and most of these API's are really awesome.

    3.3.8 - "rec_set" -- Create a new DNS record

    https://www.cloudflare.com/docs/client-api.html

    Looks Good! , Let me know if you do would love to use it for my main site :)

    @Zen said: Dominic, you could use Newegg :)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147163

    Doubt he needs 128GB for MC

  • LSN does nullroute your IPs automatically if the attack is large enough. I upgraded to a 1gbps port and they started doing it. They're only good for stopping smaller DDoS attacks.

  • JackJack Member

    @Brandon said: LSN does nullroute your IPs automatically if the attack is large enough. I upgraded to a 1gbps port and they started doing it. They're only good for stopping smaller DDoS attacks.

    How big were the floods against you mate?

  • @Jack said: How big were the floods against you mate?

    I'll never know as I wasn't around and the flow rate was so high they nullrouted it instantly.

  • Trying to sort an SSD of some sort out as Minecraft likes SSDs. Hopefully will sort something

  • @dominicl said: Trying to sort an SSD of some sort out as Minecraft likes SSDs. Hopefully will sort something

    >

    Let us know how that goes (:

    I know, I'm Dale Maily.

  • Will do, lol

  • @dominicl said: Trying to sort an SSD of some sort out as Minecraft likes SSDs. Hopefully will sort something

    Secured servers have E3s + SSD options. They also have an arbor networks device which will filter DDOS attacks. On our servers hosted with them they have filtered a 5gbps attack while letting legitimate traffic through. This did not require null routing the IP. The play experience wasn't ideal for playing minecraft, but it allow a reasonable experience. We receive an automated email telling us when an attack starts and the size of the attack. With ongoing improvements to their network I can only recommend them.

  • @ShardHost what was the problem with Secured? Why was the play experience not ideal?

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